Swoopo.com is CHEATING, SCAM, UNFAIR
By shiva on Sep 25, 2009 | In Uncategorized | 9 feedbacks »
Okay, I heard about Swoopo a month ago. I am a scientist - wanted to check how this works. I got into this by buying two 50 bids.
My Final Conclusion is : Its SCAM / CHEATING. We can NAIL them down. All of us have been only complaining all the time which never yields a solution. If there are some Legal Attorneys out there, they may find some thing to Sue them forever and CLOSE this SHOP.
Here is why they are cheating and here is how it is very easy to write such a Program:
The World is shrinking to BOXED world - a WORLD restricted to PC. When the PC World is shown on a BIG screen it becomes a VIRTUAL world.
Swoopo's Algorithm is based on - some thing like Creating a Virtual Hotel and how to convince the customer/user/us/human that the Virtual Hotel is a REAL Hotel. On Average a human will believe if he can see around couple of other humans.
If the program can create few HUMANBOTS, the HUMAN is trapped psychologically. This is exactly what they are doing in Swoopo.
They have ONLY THREE types of HUMANBOTS - SingleBid robots, BidButler Robots and Fresh Bidder robot.
The advantage of Virtual World is :
- It can Replicated according to the Programmer's Whims and Fancies.
- Every thing is an Object in the Virtual World.
- Every Object Parameter can be altered to our benefit.
So, SingleBid robots, BidButler robots and Fresh Bidder can be controlled, created, altered at will by SWOOPO's Technical Head - the Algorithm Fella.
With these HumanBots SWOOPO creates a live environment for a HUMAN/us. Creates a sense of Competition, Fight and frustration - Basically its Simulating the Real World where the HUMAN gets trapped to his/her emotional aspects and SUCKED/EXTRACT our BUCKs.
If you see the rules are simple:
- First timer should WIN.
- Second timer should Loose. (Introduce Humanbots and frustrate the User - which 95% of the time psychologically, instigates the HUMAN to buy and get addicted).
- and we can go on - after all its just replicating the objects, changing the parameters randomly and the past of the HUMAN BIDDER.
The Simple Way to nail them down is: Ask for the Records where we have LOST our BIDDING and go and check for the LEGALITY/REALITY of ALL the BIDDERs in that BID.
I have made a PPT of all the users in my BIDDING. I bet they are NOT REAL and are HUMANBOTS.
That could be one reason why their Servers are in Germany NOT in US. They can TWEAK every thing and any thing. However some information may not be changed,
IT's NOT GOOD to EXPLOIT (in what ever form). We can create a Fair and Really Entertaining Shopping which Swoopo Claims but, at the least, they are NOT CLEAN. PERIOD.
If needed we can Nail them down - an Attorney can help us get back some compensation for our Frustration and Exploitation.
Thank you,
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****Disclaimer, I work for Swoopo****
Hi ‘I am a scientist.’ Swoopo does not use bots. All of the bidders on Swoopo are real people, none of which work for Swoopo. The BidButlers are set by these same bidders.
We have created an environment where real human people bid against real human people.
Oh, and the whole server argument – we have a server farm in New York City, too.
I am sorry Chris Bauman, You tried your Best.
I have personally experienced how and why BIDs shoot up, how they are manipulated in real time and how I was stopped from taking my shot my rigging the time.
I can understand your desperation to reply: This is for the record to ‘even’ the discussion to the NEW comers who are curious to know.(Psychologically speaking – right ).
Anyway, its NOT about thinking out of the BOX , its thinking inside the BOX of SWOOPO. All is there where MINTING is going on. So one has to think about that BOX. Thats exactly what I did and reveal the truth. Give me one example which doesnt fall into my description of rules of your Virtual Bidding Program.
At least the response you have given to me has NO TRUTH, what so ever.
The Bottom line: There is manipulations and exploitation and lot more to come I suppose.
I am also a business man – but I always look for HAPPY MONEY or Happy Returns not those with Customers’ Curses associated with it.
Enjoy Life, Be happy till all this ticks and you make your buck.
I remain,
I have given my perspective and understanding of how these take place on a PC/BOX/WWW whatever.
My target audience is:
a) Those who want to know why they failed.
b) Those who want to know whats happening inside the BOX
c) Those who want to decide whether to take a chance @swoopo and if so whats the RISK involved.
Come on!! Will any body on earth believe that there is NO algorithm involved behind SWOOPO…Come on!!
Try some thing else.
Enjoy Life, Be Happy.
Prasad.
Swoopo is a scam site because they use scam techniques to modify auctions and increase their profit There is some problems with swoopo that frankly i think make anyone loose faith in the fairness of the site.
Some of the problems are time-outs, unfair currency conversions, and different action description for the same item in different country sites.
I will take an auction and illustrate how this problems make the site a very unfair environment:
Ex: "Auction ID: 256264" (check it out for urself, by going on both sites, just click the different country flags)
i am from Canada and the item description for the item in the Canadain website is: This iMac features a 2.66GHz Intel Quad Core Processor,1TB Hard Drive, 4 GB RAM, 27" display and Mac OS X 10.6
in the US website the item description is very different: This iMac features a 3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo,1TB Hard Drive, 4 GB RAM, and a 27-inch display
-this are 2 different Apple computers and in an auction that is something horrible to do, because it attracts more bidders for no reason. There are people that are looking for the 3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo iMac that will be attracted and people that are looking for the iMac features a 2.66GHz Intel Quad Core Processor, and they will all bid. but the problem comes with the fact that all the bids are added on top of each other to each other. This is wrong because the different countries are biding in 2 different items, so we should have 2 different auctions because we have 2 different products.
-the above example can be simplified if you consider bidding for a car, the US will bid on the Toyota for example and Canada will bid on Honda. Now the bids from both cars will be added together and so will the times. So if so far 100 US customers bid in this penny auction the price for the Toyota would be $1 dollar, and if 50 Canadian customers bid on the other auction, the price of the Honda would be 50cent = $0.50. this would be fair but swoopo adds the price and makes the price for both cars 1.5 dollar at this point, and the worst part, is that the time has been increased over and over because they have combined this auctions. in the end tho they will only sell one car and either the toyota if a US customer wins or the honda if the canadian customer wins, making double the profit just like that. WOULD YOU BID ON THIS?? Than they will auction the other car the same way.
THAT IS WRONG!!!
CURRENCY CONVERSION
-Now lets say that we are bidding on a "Nikon D90 with 18-105mm Kit + 150 FreeBids". the price on the US website for this item is USD $1,339.00
while for the same item (excluding that the problem mentioned above exists, since the running 2 different items in the same auction happens more with laptops and desktops), a "Nikon D90 with 18-105mm Kit + 150 FreeBids" with the same item descriprtion, the price for it on the Canadian website is CAD $1,652.49. Now some might say that makes since since the US dollar is higher that the Canadian dollar, but today the rate is 1USD = 0.95 CAD while when calculating Swoopo's rate you get 1 USD = 1.23 CAD, now how is that fair.
This problem is even worst when considering the iMac auction above where the US price is USD $1,699.00, and the Candadian price is CAD $2,284.99 buming the rate to 1 USD =1.34 CAD which is very high, that is 40 cent extra per dollar IT'S CRAZYYYYYY !!!!!
TIME OUTS
- this is an obvious problem, basically the times just gets stuck on you leaving you confused and sometimes having to refresh in the final seconds and it could cost you the auction, which can be devastating if you are bidding on an item for a while and have used 100ds of bids. this is caused by the website glitches and network lag some times. now the worst if combining all of the 3 factors mentioned above into the same auction which happens on almost every penny or high price auction.
Now i know it was long and i apologize, but i hope you learned something more because what i have mentioned are all facts and you can verify them. Sites like this are very addictive and there are people who i feel bad about because they will still play even knowing this crazy odds. Well my advice is stay away, but im not your mother so GOOD LUCK!!!!
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